I have a question that I was hoping to get some feedback on. When playing on a crap-less craps table, is it beneficial to throw the cross 12 set in hopes of hitting those outside numbers? And a player who has an edge on a table, with true odds being offered on those outside numbers, does it make crap-less craps a better game then regular craps. I was hoping to get some input from Skinny with his genius mathematics on the game. I know it's a really fun game to play, and incredibly lucrative when on a hot roll.

On another note, therapy is going really well on my shoulder and I hope to be throwing again within a month. Connecticut group, count me in on the next trip. Happy Memorial Day to all and have a safe weekend!

Michael

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Posted by: Pointman on May 24, 2013, 7:01 pm

This link will explain the odd/HA differences between the Craps and Crapless games.

http://wizardofodds.com/games/craps/app ... plesscraps

As for is this a better game than craps overall, No. (HA 5.5% to a 1.4%, I believe is the pass line before odds)
The only good thing about a crapless game is that you do not have Don't betters at the table.

Posted by: MIDNIGHT on May 24, 2013, 8:46 pm

Well to take it one step further, the table that I would play on offers 10x odds and commission on wins only where you can buy the outside numbers. Does this still make it a gimmick game? And whats your thought on the set??? Thanks for the link. Love Wizardofodds!

Michael

Posted by: Skinny on May 24, 2013, 10:50 pm

Even at 10X odds it is still not a better than regular craps at 10X odds. I am traveling and can not do the calculation without my computer. But I would guess the odds drop to around 0.75% at 10X in crapless vs. 0.18% in regular craps at 10X. Still that is a decent game but you are risking a lot at 10X.

The buy bets on the 2,3,11 & 12 paying on the win only are good bets. You can see the edges in the charts on the link Pointman gave you.

I don't have an opinion about the set. Dom or Billy are better at that than I am.