How many rolls before you finally roll a box number

Awesome thread -- I'll probably get "roasted" for this one

I have so many strategies for "come out" rolls, it's insane -- much depends on the table minimum (5,10,15,25) and if there's a fire bet at that casino.

Let's go with the $10 table and Fire bet. I use a "superset 12" a my initial set and put $10 on the don't pass, $15 on the pass line, $5 or $10 on the fire bet, and then put down a $5 world bet. If my shot is on, I'll hit either a craps or a yo winner....If i'm slightly off, I'll hit a 6-1 winner ....if I'm more off, I'll hit a 4 or 10 (I really don't care as I need them anyway to win the fire bet later)....and if I'm really off, i'll set-up an inside box number. Each time I hit a "World winner", I press the world up another $5. My best win is over $300 on a come out as I kept hitting winners and then started to bet the 1/2 and 6/5 individually. I used to use the "ace/Duece" set and in 8 come out rolls, I hit 6 craps, 1 yo, and 1 Seven ... then on roll 9, finally set-up a box number. On a fire bet table, I only do this up to the 2nd point hit. Once I have 2 points on the fire, I then set-up the dice to specifically hit the remaining box numbers to WIN the FIRE bet.

My betting gives me a 33% chance (2, 3, 11, 12, and the 7 are come-out roll winners) to win $$$ on the come out roll --- plus, my initial spread is SO LOW, I have very little exposure. Plus, i can share a box number or two with The Princess, so we have VERY LITTLE $$$ exposure on the initial rolls past the point getting set-up

Interesting betting strategy, to say the least. Certainly a lot of bets on the table with very high house edges. But if it works for you, got for it. Just hope the long run doesn't bite you somewhere below the waist.

Rose and Doc look forward to seeing you and the Princess in the casinos soon and of course having a meal together.

Hope Dom and Skinny will respond.

I was playing my old craps machine . Which they have taken out . The guy sitting next to me was betting the field and pass line . I put one dollar on 6 and 8 . I rolled till I est a point of 4 which was on the 17 roll . Then rolled a 8 and 7 out for a loss on my 6 and 8 for .84 .The guy next to me was vary happy with his wins tho .
I have not done that in practice yet or any better but have done 6,7 and 10 rolls before est. a point .It is nice to have won your spread before you est. a point .Winning is nice even if it is only 2.00 a roll .
Will try how the Lion does it later in practice .
No more practice till late Sept. or Oct.
Good Rolling. :) :)

Lion How do you play after you est. your point ?
Good Rolling. :) :)

Let's say the first point is a 4,5, 9,10...

I will take the 6 for $12 and The Princess takes the 8 for $12 (we share 2 numbers)

I may or may not put odds down since I already have a $5 line bet (15-10=5) (if my point is a 6 or 8, I will put $5 behind the pass line as my odds bet)

I try to hit 6 and 8 and use the casino $$ to build my odds.

I do not put much $$$ out initially. If I have a $5 fire, I always lay against the 4th, 5th, and 6th points. I have almost gotten to the point of starting to lay against point #3 to ensure wins.

I try to get a few hits on place bet numbers we are betting on to get a "win" -- then, hitting the point is great, if I can, to WIN that FIRE bet

I play/bet a small game -- I like to get 8-10 shots in per session

I'm a big believer that I can get ONE KILLER roll in 10 shots, especially if I'm on a GTC friendly table and the dice are rolling well and feel "good" in my hands/fingers

Hi Doc --

I'm ok with the betting not biting me -- I can usually hit a few winners to make it worthwhile -- also, keep in mind that I only do it for the first 2 points on a fire bet table -- and we rarely play at non-fire bet casinos

The one thing I like about the "superset 12" come out set is that it gives me a great barometer of my throw & casino dice conditions. Using that set and if I hit a hard-6 or hard-8 on the come out roll, I know something is wrong (my throw / the dice, etc.) --- I WILL NOT bet much $$$ when I see that outcome -- and, guess what?? -- I barely make it past 6 rolls -- BUT, i do not lose much, if anything

Also, if hit some winners on the come out (2,3,11,12), I know things are good, confidence is soaring, and usually I have good rolls to support the come-out results

Looking forward to seeing you and Rose sometime soon

The other day in practice I rolled five sevens in a row. I think that is the most for me before setting the point.

Sureshot

Sureshot ....

What dice set are you using on the come-out roll? (the all-7 ??)

Lion -

I was not trying for the seven - I was using the 2V, but all five sevens were either 3-4 or 5-2.

Sureshot.

With all those 7's, I'd use the 2-V for the come out roll

Then, go back to the hardway set for the regular rolls as it seems the 2-V set would be very risky based on the # of 7's you're generating

So if you were using the 2-V set you were double pitching 1 die for a 5-2 and rolling out another die for the 4-3. I think it is time to check out your grip.

Rolling out a die or double pitching another die surely is a grip problem.

My longest come out roll at a casino was seven 7's and one yo. However, I am known to have several 7's and yo's on come out rolls. My friends say that portends a long roll. I always use the hardways set.

Goddess.